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Subj:    Interesting Free Offer........
Date:    96-04-27 13:08:08 EDT
From:    SElli97635
To:      SElli97635

To: [e-mail]


-----> NOTE:   Please first read my note which appears below the "Request for
more info Form."  Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request for More
Info" form completely and *FAX* or *SMAIL* it back to the company.  You will
get a quick reply via email within 1 business day of receipt of the info
request form below.

IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR THOSE FAXING IN THEIR REPLY:  Please make sure you
return *only* the below form and *no part* of this message other than the
actual form below.  If you do not know how to cut and paste the below form
onto a fresh clean blank page for faxing, then you may re-type the below
form, as long as you copy it line for line *exactly.*  This is necessary in
order for them to be able to process the tremendous number of replies that
they get daily.

Your fax goes directly onto their 4.2 gigabyte computer hard drive, not
paper, and all incoming fax calls are set-up to be *auto-terminated* and/or
*auto-deleted* from the incoming queue of faxes to be read, if your fax:

1. has a cover page;
2. is more than one page
3. is sent more than one time
4. does not begin with the "cut here/begin" line from the below form
5. does not end with the "cut here/end" line from the below form.
6. has any handwritten info. on it (info must must be filled out *only*
    with your computer keyboard or typewriter keyboard).  This last
    provision re:  no handwriting on the form applies to requests sent in
    via smail also.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
NOTE:  Their fax line is open 24 hrs. per day / 7 days per week.   However,
 if you have trouble getting through due to the high volume of overseas faxes
coming in during the early morning and late night hours, please note that the
best time to get through to their fax is Monday-Friday, 9 am - 5 pm EST (New
York Time).  If you have trouble getting through to their fax, or do not have
a fax machine at work or at home, just drop the below form to them via smail
(airmail or first class mail).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



*------------cut here/begin-------------------------------------------*
REQUEST FOR MORE INFO:  please return *only* this section (with no cover
page) via 1-page fax to:
                              718-967-1550 in the USA

or via smail (first class mail or airmail) to:
                                         Magazine Club Inquiry Center
                                         Att. FREE Catalogue-by-email Dept.
                                         PO Box 990
                                         Staten Island NY  10312-0990

Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged.  If you do not
have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you
until you do have one.  If you saw this message, then you should have one.
 :)

---> SORRY, BUT NO HANDWRITTEN FORMS WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED.
        MUST BE TYPED-OUT ON YOUR COMPUTER OR TYPEWRITER. <---

Name:
Internet email address:
Smail home address:
City-State-Zip:
Country:
Work Tel. #:
Work Fax #:
Home Tel. #:
Home Fax #:

How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of
the internet that you saw us mentioned in):  Referral by:  Sally Ann Ellison.
042796-l-ifo

Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store:

Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store:

Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail:

Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when we call you:

Catalogue format desired (list "1," "2," "3" or "4"):

*------------cut here/end--------------------------------------------*


Catalogue Format Options:
1.  19-Part email- can be read by EVERYONE (~525 K Total).
2.  For more advanced computer users:  attached text file ~525K - you
     must know how to download an attached text file and then be able to
     open it with your word processor.  If in doubt, don't ask for this
     version.  This isn't for internet *newbies.* Better to order option 1
     and spend a few minutes pasting them into one whole text document
     with your word processor, than to waste hours trying to figure how
     to deal with this option.
3.  For more advanced Macintosh computer users: compressed attached
     text file, created with a Stuffit(tm) self-extracting archive (.sea),
      ~133K.  Can be decompressed by any Macintosh computer user; no
     special expansion software or knowledge of Stuffit (tm) needed.  You
     just double-click on the file icon and it automatically expands
     (unstuffs). This is for more advanced mac computer users only, as
     you still have to know how to deal with an attached file.  It will cut
     your download time by 75%.   Expands out to the same ~525K file in
     option #2.  See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be
     able to do.
4.  For expert computer users: compressed attached text file, created with
     Stuffit(tm),  ~114K.  Can be decompressed by any computer user who
     has expansion software to decompress (expand) Stuffit(tm) (.sit) files.
     This is for more advanced computer users only and will cut your
     download time by 78%.   Expands out to the same ~525K file in option
     #2.  See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do.



Hi fellow 'netters,

My name is Sally Ann Ellison and I recently started using a magazine
subscription club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription deal
with your first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them.    They
have over 1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country on a
subscription basis.   As for computer magazines from the USA, they more of a
selection than I ever knew even existed.  They have magazines for most every
area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles.

Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their
competitors and even the publishers themselves.  This is their price
guarantee.

Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half of
what the newsstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines.  On some
titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newsstands charge.  They
feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas.   In the USA, people buy
magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes or
hours.  They are so cheap in the USA!   Well, this company would like to make
it the same way for their overseas members.  They are also cheaper than all
their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the publishers
themselves!   This is their price guarantee.  Around one-half their business
comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new members who only speak
limited English as a 2nd language.

Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and
cut-out all the middlemen.

They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey)
!)...if you completely fill out the form above.  It has lists of all the
freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories
and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell.

Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student.  I
don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my
part-time software business!  Please fill out the above form and carefully
follow the intructions above to get it to them via fax or smail.

They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are less
than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other times,
just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet.  They
assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it.

They have been very helpful and helped me with all my address changes as I
haved moved from one country to another.

They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from a
special list of over 295 popular titles published in the USA.   They will
give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them
to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular
USA titles they sell.

They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have
clients in around 45 or 46 countries now.  Outside the USA there is a charge
for FPH (foreign postage and handling) (on both paid and freebie subs) that
varies from magazine to magazine.  I have found their staff to be very
friendly and courteous.  They even helped me with an address change when I
moved from one country to another.

The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members"
(even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase
automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts
as a new member.   When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls you
personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes he has
one of his assistants call.  He is kind of quirky sometimes - he insists on
setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I sure wouldn't
want to have his phone bills!),  but you can place future orders (after your
first order) via E-mail.

He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know
just as much as he does about this magazine stuff.  If you live overseas, he
will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he still
makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long distance
rates are cheaper then.

He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing
members and he does virtually no advertising.  When I got set-up, they had a
2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they could
join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately when you
call. )  I think they are able to get back to prospective new members  the
same day or within a few days now, as they have increased their staff.  I am
not sure about this.........but if you email the above form to them, that is
the way to get started!

They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey)
!)...if you completely fill out the form above.  It has lists of all the
freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories
and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell.

They then send you email  that outlines how his club works and the list of
free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what he
sells;  and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly,
no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and
answer all your questions.

Once you get in, you'll love them. I do.


Sincerely,

Sally Ann Ellison



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Subject: Unusual Promotion for 1st Time Users
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Forwarded message:
Subj:    FREE 1 yr MagazineSub sent worldwide-270+ Popular USA Titles
Date:    96-04-29 11:30:23 EDT
From:    Szanzer

To:      [e-mail]

How to save on all your computer magazines and 1,500 other popular USA
titles!


-----> NOTE:   Please first read my note which appears below the "Request for
more info Form."  Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request for More
Info" form completely and *FAX* or *SMAIL* it back to the company.  You will
get a quick reply via email within 1 business day of receipt of the info
request form below.

IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR THOSE FAXING IN THEIR REPLY:  Please make sure you
return *only* the below form and *no part* of this message other than the
actual form below.  If you do not know how to cut and paste the below form
onto a fresh clean blank page for faxing, then you may re-type the below
form, as long as you copy it line for line *exactly.*  This is necessary in
order for them to be able to process the tremendous number of replies that
they get daily.

Your fax goes directly onto their 4.2 gigabyte computer hard drive, not
paper, and all incoming fax calls are set-up to be *auto-terminated* and/or
*auto-deleted* from the incoming queue of faxes to be read, if your fax:

1. has a cover page;
2. is more than one page
3. is sent more than one time
4. does not begin with the "cut here/begin" line from the below form
5. does not end with the "cut here/end" line from the below form.
6. has any handwritten info. on it (info must must be filled out *only*
    with your computer keyboard or typewriter keyboard).  This last
    provision re:  no handwriting on the form applies to requests sent in
    via smail also.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
NOTE:  Their fax line is open 24 hrs. per day / 7 days per week.   However,
 if you have trouble getting through due to the high volume of overseas faxes
coming in during the early morning and late night hours, please note that the
best time to get through to their fax is Monday-Friday, 9 am - 5 pm EST (New
York Time).  If you have trouble getting through to their fax, or do not have
a fax machine at work or at home, just drop the below form to them via smail
(airmail or first class mail).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



*------------cut here/begin-------------------------------------------*
REQUEST FOR MORE INFO:  please return *only* this section (with no cover
page) via 1-page fax to:
                              718-967-1550 in the USA

or via smail (first class mail or airmail) to:
                                         Magazine Club Inquiry Center
                                         Att. FREE Catalogue-by-email Dept.
                                         PO Box 990
                                         Staten Island NY  10312-0990

Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged.  If you do not
have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you
until you do have one.  If you saw this message, then you should have one.
 :)

---> SORRY, BUT NO HANDWRITTEN FORMS WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED.
        MUST BE TYPED-OUT ON YOUR COMPUTER OR TYPEWRITER. <---

Name:
Internet email address:
Smail home address:
City-State-Zip:
Country:
Work Tel. #:
Work Fax #:
Home Tel. #:
Home Fax #:

How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of
the internet that you saw us mentioned in):  Referral by:  Susan Zanzer.
042996-l-foy

Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store:

Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store:

Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail:

Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when we call you:

Catalogue format desired (list "1," "2," "3" or "4"):

*------------cut here/end--------------------------------------------*


Catalogue Format Options:
1.  19-Part email- can be read by EVERYONE (~525 K Total).
2.  For more advanced computer users:  attached text file ~525K - you
     must know how to download an attached text file and then be able to
     open it with your word processor.  If in doubt, don't ask for this
     version.  This isn't for internet *newbies.* Better to order option 1
     and spend a few minutes pasting them into one whole text document
     with your word processor, than to waste hours trying to figure how
     to deal with this option.
3.  For more advanced Macintosh computer users: compressed attached
     text file, created with a Stuffit(tm) self-extracting archive (.sea),
      ~133K.  Can be decompressed by any Macintosh computer user; no
     special expansion software or knowledge of Stuffit (tm) needed.  You
     just double-click on the file icon and it automatically expands
     (unstuffs). This is for more advanced mac computer users only, as
     you still have to know how to deal with an attached file.  It will cut
     your download time by 75%.   Expands out to the same ~525K file in
     option #2.  See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be
     able to do.
4.  For expert computer users: compressed attached text file, created with
     Stuffit(tm),  ~114K.  Can be decompressed by any computer user who
     has expansion software to decompress (expand) Stuffit(tm) (.sit) files.
     This is for more advanced computer users only and will cut your
     download time by 78%.   Expands out to the same ~525K file in option
     #2.  See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do.



Hi fellow 'netters,

My name is Susan Zanzer and I recently started using a magazine subscription
club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription deal with your
first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them.    They have over
1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country on a
subscription basis.   As for computer magazines from the USA, they more of a
selection than I ever knew even existed.  They have magazines for most every
area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles.

Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their
competitors and even the publishers themselves.  This is their price
guarantee.

Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half of
what the newsstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines.  On some
titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newsstands charge.  They
feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas.   In the USA, people buy
magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes or
hours.  They are so cheap in the USA!   Well, this company would like to make
it the same way for their overseas members.  They are also cheaper than all
their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the publishers
themselves!   This is their price guarantee.  Around one-half their business
comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new members who only speak
limited English as a 2nd language.

Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and
cut-out all the middlemen.

They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey)
!)...if you completely fill out the form above.  It has lists of all the
freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories
and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell.

Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student.  I
don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my
part-time software business!  Please fill out the above form and carefully
follow the intructions above to get it to them via fax or smail.

They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are less
than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other times,
just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet.  They
assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it.

They have been very helpful and helped me with all my address changes as I
haved moved from one country to another.

They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from a
special list of over 270 popular titles published in the USA.   They will
give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them
to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular
USA titles they sell.

They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have
clients in around 45 or 46 countries now.  Outside the USA there is a charge
for FPH (foreign postage and handling) (on both paid and freebie subs) that
varies from magazine to magazine.  I have found their staff to be very
friendly and courteous.  They even helped me with an address change when I
moved from one country to another.

The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members"
(even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase
automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts
as a new member.   When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls you
personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes he has
one of his assistants call.  He is kind of quirky sometimes - he insists on
setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I sure wouldn't
want to have his phone bills!),  but you can place future orders (after your
first order) via E-mail.

He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know
just as much as he does about this magazine stuff.  If you live overseas, he
will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he still
makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long distance
rates are cheaper then.

He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing
members and he does virtually no advertising.  When I got set-up, they had a
2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they could
join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately when you
call. )  I think they are able to get back to prospective new members  the
same day or within a few days now, as they have increased their staff.  I am
not sure about this.........but if you email the above form to them, that is
the way to get started!

They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey)
!)...if you completely fill out the form above.  It has lists of all the
freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories
and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell.

They then send you email  that outlines how his club works and the list of
free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what he
sells;  and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly,
no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and
answer all your questions.

Once you get in, you'll love them. I do.


Sincerely,

Susan Zanzer



>From [e-mail] Mon Apr 29 21:22:21 PDT 1996
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 00:20:19 -0400
From: David Youssef <[e-mail]>
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MIME-Version: 1.0
To: [e-mail]
Subject: NEED SOME QUICK CASH??  READ THIS AND TRY IT!!!!!
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Hello! I've got some great news that I think you need to take two
minutes to read if you have ever thought "How could I make some
serious cash in a hurry???" , or been in serious debt,  ready to do
almost anything to get the money needed to pay off those bill
collectors. So grab a snack, a warm cup of coffee, or a glass of your
favorite beverage, get comfortable and listen to this interesting,
exciting find!

 Let me start by saying that I FINALLY FOUND IT! That's right! I found
it!  And I HATE GET RICH QUICK SCHEMES!! I hate those schemes like
multi-level marketing, mail-order schemes, envelope stuffing scams,
900 number scams...  the list goes on forever. I have tried every darn
get rich quick scheme out there over the past 12 years. I somehow got
on mailing lists for people looking to make money (more like
'desperate stupid people who will try anything for money!').  Well,
when I was a teenager,  these claims to 'get me rich quick' sounded
irresistible! I would shell out $14.95 here, $29.95 there, $24.95
here, and another $49.95 there.  I had maxed out my new Circuit City
Card AND my Visa...I was desperate for money!!  So, I gave them all a
chance but failed at every one of them! Maybe they worked for some
people, but not for me.  Eventually, I just tossed that JUNK MAIL in
the trash when I got the mail.  I recognized it right away.  I can
smell a money scam from a mile away these days,  SO I THOUGHT.... I
thought I could sniff out a scam easily.  WAS I WRONG!!  ....I LOVE
THE INTERNET!!!

   I was scanning thru a NEWSGROUP and saw an article stating to GET
CASH FAST!!  I thought..."Here on the Internet??  Well, I'll just have
to see what schemes could possibly be on the internet." The article
described a way to MAIL A ONE DOLLAR BILL TO ONLY FIVE PEOPLE AND
MAKE $50, 0000 IN CASH WITHIN 4 WEEKS!  Well,  the more I thought about it,
the more I became very curious. Why?  Because of the way it worked AND
BECAUSE IT WOULD ONLY COST ME FIVE DOLLARS (AND FIVE STAMPS),
THAT'S ALL I EVER PAY....EVER!!

   Ok, so the $50,000 in cash was maybe a tough amount to reach, but
it was possible.  I knew that I could at least get a return of $1,000
or so.  So I did it!! As per the instructions in the article, I mailed
out ('snail mail' for you e-mail fanatics)  a single dollar bill to
each of the five people on the list that was contained in the article.
I included a small note, with the dollar, that stated "Please Add Me
To Your List."  I then removed the first position name of the five
names listed and moved everyone up one position, and I put my name in
position five of the list.  This is how the money starts rolling in!
I then took this revised article now with my name on the list and
REPOSTED IT ON AS MANY NEWSGROUPS AND LOCAL BULLETIN BOARD
MESSAGE AREAS THAT I KNEW.  I then waited to watch the money come
in...prepared to maybe receive about $1000 to $1500 in cash or so....
But what a welcome surprise when those envelopes kept coming in!!!  I
knew what they were as soon as I saw the return addresses from people
all over the world  -Most from the U.S., but some from Canada, even
some from Australia!  I tell you, THAT WAS EXCITING!!  So how much did
I get in total return?  $1000? $5000? Not even!!! I received a total
of $23,343!!!  I couldn't believe it!!

   I now have a brand new black Acura Integra to speak for, due to
this!! Now after almost 8 months, I am ready to do it again!!! So
maybe it was possible to get $50,000 in cash, I don't know, but  IT
COMPLETELY DEPENDS ON YOU, THE INDIVIDUAL!  You must follow through
and repost this article everywhere you can think of!  The more
postings you achieve will determine how much cash will arrive in your
very own mailbox!!  It's just too easy to pass up!!!

   Let's review the reasons why you should do this:  The only cost
factors are for the five stamps, the 5 envelopes and the 5 one dollar
bills that you send out to the listed names by snail mail (US Postal
Service Mail).  Then just simply repost the article (WITH YOUR NAME
ADDED) to all the newsgroups and local BBS's you can.  Then sit back
and scoop up your rewards!!  We all have five dollars to put into such an easy effortless
investment with SPECTACULAR REALISTIC RETURNS OF $15,000 to $25,000 in
about 3-5 weeks!  So HOLD OFF ON THOSE LOTTERY NUMBERS FOR TODAY,
EAT AT HOME TONIGHT INSTEAD OF TAKEOUT FROM McDONALDS AND
INVEST FIVE DOLLARS IN THIS AMAZING MONEY MAKING SYSTEM NOW!!!
YOU CAN'T LOSE!!

   So how do you do it exactly, you ask?  I have carefully provided
the most detailed, yet straightforward instructions on how to easily
get this underway and get your cash on its way.  SO, ARE YOU READY TO
MAKE SOME CASH!!!?? HERE WE GO!!!

*** THE LIST OF NAMES IS AT THE END OF THIS ARTICLE. ***

OK,  Read this carefully.  Get a printout of this information, if you
like, so you can easily refer to it as often as needed.

INSTRUCTIONS:

1.  Take a sheet of paper and write on it the following: "Please add
my name to your list".  This creates a service out of this money
making system and thus making it completely legal.  You are not just
randomly sending a dollar to someone, you are paying one dollar for a
legitimate service.  Make sure you include your name and address.  I
assure you that,  again,  this is completely legal!  For a neat little
twist, also write what slot their name was in: "You were in slot 3",
Just to add a little fun!  This is all about having fun and making
money at the same time!

2.  Now fold this sheet of paper around a dollar bill ,(no checks or
money orders), and put them into an envelope and send it on its way to
the five people listed.  The folding of the paper around the bill will
insure its arrival to its recipient. THIS STEP IS IMPORTANT!!

3.  Now listen carefully, here's where you get YOUR MONEY COMING TO
YOUR MAILBOX.   Look at the list of five people;  remove the first
name from position one and move everyone on the list up slot one on
the list.  Position 2 name will now move to the position 1 slot ,
position 3 will now become position 2, 4 will be 3, 5 will be 4.  Now
put your name, address, zipcode AND COUNTRY in position 5, the bottom
position on the list.

4.  Now upload this updated file to as many newsgroups and local
bulletin boards' message areas & file section as possible.  Give a
catchy description of the file so it gets noticed!!  Such as: "NEED
FAST CASH?, HERE IT IS!" or "NEED CASH TO PAY OFF YOUR DEBTS??",  etc.
And the more uploads, the more money you will make, and of course, the
more money the others on the list will make too.  LET'S ALL TAKE CARE
OF EACH OTHER BY BEING HONEST AND BY PUTTING FORTH 120 PERCENT
INTO THIS PROFITABLE & AMAZING SYSTEM!!! You'll reap the benefits, believe
me!!! Set a goal for the number of total uploads you'll post, such as
15-20 postings or more!  Always have a goal in mind!!!
If you can UUE encode the file when uploading,  that will make it
easier for the people to receive it and have it downloaded to their
hard drive.  That way they get a copy of the article right on their
computer without hassles of viewing and then saving the article from
the File menu. Don't alter the file type, leave it as an MS-DOS Text
file. The best test is to be able to view this file using Microsoft's
Notepad for Windows 3.x or WordPad for Windows '95. If the margins
look right without making the screen slide left or right when at the
ends of the sentences, you're in business!

5.  If you need help uploading, simply ask the sysop of the BBS, or
"POST" a message on a newsgroup asking how to post a file,  tell them
who your Internet provider is and PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS BE GLAD TO HELP.
I would try to describe how to do it but there are simply too many
internet software packages with slightly different yet relatively
simple ways to post or upload a file.  Just ask for help or look in
the help section for 'posting'. I do know that for GNN, you simply
select 'POST' then enter a catchy description under the subject box,
choose 'ATTACH', selecting 'UUE' and NOT 'TXT', then
choose 'Browse' to go look for the file. Find your text file CASH.TXT
and click on it and choose 'OK'.  Place a one line statement in the
main body section of the message post screen. Something like "Download
this to read how to get cash arriving in your mailbox with no
paybacks!" or whatever. Just make sure it represents its true
feasibility, NOT something like..."Get one million dollars flooding in
your mailbox in two days!"  You'll never get ANY responses!

6.  And this is the step I like.  JUST SIT BACK AND ENJOY LIFE BECAUSE

CASH IS ON ITS THE WAY!!  Expect to see a little money start to
trickle in around 2 weeks, but AT ABOUT WEEKS 3 & 4, THE MONEY STORM
WILL HIT YOUR MAILBOX!! All you have to do is take it out of the
mailbox and try not to scream too loud (outside anyway) when you
realize YOU HIT THE BIG TIME AT LAST!!

7.  So go PAY OFF YOUR BILLS AND DEBTS and then get that something
special you always wanted or buy that special person in your life (or
the one you want in your life)  a gift they'll never forget.  ENJOY
LIFE!

8.  Now when you get low on this money supply,  simply re-activate
this file again; Reposting it in the old places where you originally
posted and possibly some new places you now know of.  Don't ever lose
this file, always keep a copy at your reach for when you ever need
cash.  THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE TOOL THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS RE-USE TIME
AND TIME AGAIN WHEN CASH IS NEEDED!

9.  (This step added by Charles Reiley).  Hello, This is exciting
isn't it?! While I'm on the list, just add a note saying "Please
include extra money tips" with your name & E-MAIL address, and I will
(FOR FREE) send you some neat methods to increase the money you will
receive with this plan.  Why?... Why not? I'm not a selfish jerk...I like helping out others.
E-mail just makes it a touch easier and cheaper, too!  After I drop
off the list, I can no longer offer you this advice, obviously, but
maybe someone else who gets my tips will offer and simply replace my
name on this step number 9. Good luck and give this plan your all, it
will definitely pay off!
Like Mike said, HAVE FUN WITH IT!!!


************************************************************************
**
*
************************************************************************
**
*
THE NAMES LIST       THE NAMES LIST      THE NAMES LIST
************************************************************************
**
*
HONESTY IS WHAT MAKES THIS PROGRAM SUCCESSFUL!!!



  1. Mike Sova
P.O. Box 381
Coldwater ON Canada
L0K 1E0

  2. George Juniel
5000 Western Ave. #2100
Knoxville. TN 37921
USA

  3. Joel Schmidt
7809 Shadowhill Way
Cincinnati, OH 45242
USA

  4. Yo S. Yoon
1224 University City Blvd #D40
Blacksburg, VA 24060
USA

  5. David Yoseff
157 Van Reipen Ave. Apt. 5
Jersey City, NJ 07306
USA

************************************************************************
**
*


NOTE:
Try to keep a list of everyone that sends you a dollar and always keep
an eye on the local postings of this file...Just to make sure that
everyone is playing the game fairly. You know where your name should
be.....

*** AGAIN,  HONESTY IS THE BEST THING WE HAVE GOING FOR US ON
THIS
PLAN.

-Mike Dotson, Boulder, CO
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Forwarded message:
Subj:    ===>> FREE 1 yr USA Magazine Sub sent worldwide-270+ Choices!
Date:    96-04-30 13:47:50 EDT
From:    Stuartmall

To:      [e-mail]

[e-mail]


-----> NOTE:   Please first read my note which appears below the "Request for
more info Form."  Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request for More
Info" form completely and *FAX* or *SMAIL* it back to the company.  You will
get a quick reply via email within 1 business day of receipt of the info
request form below.

IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR THOSE FAXING IN THEIR REPLY:  Please make sure you
return *only* the below form and *no part* of this message other than the
actual form below.  If you do not know how to cut and paste the below form
onto a fresh clean blank page for faxing, then you may re-type the below
form, as long as you copy it line for line *exactly.*  This is necessary in
order for them to be able to process the tremendous number of replies that
they get daily.

Your fax goes directly onto their 4.2 gigabyte computer hard drive, not
paper, and all incoming fax calls are set-up to be *auto-terminated* and/or
*auto-deleted* from the incoming queue of faxes to be read, if your fax:

1. has a cover page;
2. is more than one page
3. is sent more than one time
4. does not begin with the "cut here/begin" line from the below form
5. does not end with the "cut here/end" line from the below form.
6. has any handwritten info. on it (info must must be filled out *only*
    with your computer keyboard or typewriter keyboard).  This last
    provision re:  no handwriting on the form applies to requests sent in
    via smail also.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
NOTE:  Their fax line is open 24 hrs. per day / 7 days per week.   However,
 if you have trouble getting through due to the high volume of overseas faxes
coming in during the early morning and late night hours, please note that the
best time to get through to their fax is Monday-Friday, 9 am - 5 pm EST (New
York Time).  If you have trouble getting through to their fax, or do not have
a fax machine at work or at home, just drop the below form to them via smail
(airmail or first class mail).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



*------------cut here/begin-------------------------------------------*
REQUEST FOR MORE INFO:  please return *only* this section (with no cover
page) via 1-page fax to:
                              718-967-1550 in the USA

or via smail (first class mail or airmail) to:
                                         Magazine Club Inquiry Center
                                         Att. FREE Catalogue-by-email Dept.
                                         PO Box 990
                                         Staten Island NY  10312-0990

Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged.  If you do not
have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you
until you do have one.  If you saw this message, then you should have one.
 :)

---> SORRY, BUT NO HANDWRITTEN FORMS WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED.
        MUST BE TYPED-OUT ON YOUR COMPUTER OR TYPEWRITER. <---

Name:
Internet email address:
Smail home address:
City-State-Zip:
Country:
Work Tel. #:
Work Fax #:
Home Tel. #:
Home Fax #:

How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of
the internet that you saw us mentioned in):  Referral by: Stuart Mallory.

043096-l-f1y

Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store:

Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store:

Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail:

Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when we call you:

Catalogue format desired (list "1," "2," "3" or "4"):

*------------cut here/end--------------------------------------------*


Catalogue Format Options:
1.  19-Part email- can be read by EVERYONE (~525 K Total).
2.  For more advanced computer users:  attached text file ~525K - you
     must know how to download an attached text file and then be able to
     open it with your word processor.  If in doubt, don't ask for this
     version.  This isn't for internet *newbies.* Better to order option 1
     and spend a few minutes pasting them into one whole text document
     with your word processor, than to waste hours trying to figure how
     to deal with this option.
3.  For more advanced Macintosh computer users: compressed attached
     text file, created with a Stuffit(tm) self-extracting archive (.sea),
      ~133K.  Can be decompressed by any Macintosh computer user; no
     special expansion software or knowledge of Stuffit (tm) needed.  You
     just double-click on the file icon and it automatically expands
     (unstuffs). This is for more advanced mac computer users only, as
     you still have to know how to deal with an attached file.  It will cut
     your download time by 75%.   Expands out to the same ~525K file in
     option #2.  See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be
     able to do.
4.  For expert computer users: compressed attached text file, created with
     Stuffit(tm),  ~114K.  Can be decompressed by any computer user who
     has expansion software to decompress (expand) Stuffit(tm) (.sit) files.
     This is for more advanced computer users only and will cut your
     download time by 78%.   Expands out to the same ~525K file in option
     #2.  See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do.



Hi fellow 'netters,

My name is Stuart Mallory and I recently started using a magazine
subscription club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription deal
with your first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them.    They
have over 1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country on a
subscription basis.   As for computer magazines from the USA, they more of a
selection than I ever knew even existed.  They have magazines for most every
area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles.

Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their
competitors and even the publishers themselves.  This is their price
guarantee.

Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half of
what the newsstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines.  On some
titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newsstands charge.  They
feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas.   In the USA, people buy
magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes or
hours.  They are so cheap in the USA!   Well, this company would like to make
it the same way for their overseas members.  They are also cheaper than all
their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the publishers
themselves!   This is their price guarantee.  Around one-half their business
comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new members who only speak
limited English as a 2nd language.

Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and
cut-out all the middlemen.

They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey)
!)...if you completely fill out the form above.  It has lists of all the
freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories
and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell.

Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student.  I
don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my
part-time software business!  Please fill out the above form and carefully
follow the intructions above to get it to them via fax or smail.

They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are less
than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other times,
just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet.  They
assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it.

They have been very helpful and helped me with all my address changes as I
haved moved from one country to another.

They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from a
special list of over 270 popular titles published in the USA.   They will
give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them
to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular
USA titles they sell.

They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have
clients in around 45 or 46 countries now.  Outside the USA there is a charge
for FPH (foreign postage and handling) (on both paid and freebie subs) that
varies from magazine to magazine.  I have found their staff to be very
friendly and courteous.  They even helped me with an address change when I
moved from one country to another.

The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members"
(even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase
automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts
as a new member.   When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls you
personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes he has
one of his assistants call.  He is kind of quirky sometimes - he insists on
setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I sure wouldn't
want to have his phone bills!),  but you can place future orders (after your
first order) via E-mail.

He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know
just as much as he does about this magazine stuff.  If you live overseas, he
will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he still
makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long distance
rates are cheaper then.

He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing
members and he does virtually no advertising.  When I got set-up, they had a
2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they could
join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately when you
call. )  I think they are able to get back to prospective new members  the
same day or within a few days now, as they have increased their staff.  I am
not sure about this.........but if you email the above form to them, that is
the way to get started!

They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey)
!)...if you completely fill out the form above.  It has lists of all the
freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories
and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell.

They then send you email  that outlines how his club works and the list of
free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what he
sells;  and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly,
no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and
answer all your questions.

Once you get in, you'll love them. I do.


Sincerely,

Stuart Mallory

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Reply-To: [e-mail]
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Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 14:37:24 PDT
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From: "Mark D. Nagel" <[e-mail]>

OK, I had to go ahead and make this list private.  What that means is
that you may only submit messages from the address with which you are
subscribed.  If you have problems with that, please let me know and we
will work on a solution.  Common causes of problems with this new
mechanism include:

        * you've moved to a new e-mail address and your old address is
          still forwarding.
        * your organization has changed to a new domain layout since
          you subscribed.
        * any other change in your situation that would lead to your
          'From:' address appearing different from the one with which
          you first subscribed.

If there are _too_ many problems, I will open the list up again but
make it fully moderated, meaning I get to approve or reject any
message.  I would only reject blatant spam in that case.

Mark
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Subject: Re: ADMIN: spam this!

At 2:34 PM 5/2/96, Mark D. Nagel wrote:
>OK, I had to go ahead and make this list private.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!

-Owen

Obligatory Think-c stuff: Did you know that Symantec has updated Think
Pascal (though ever so little) on the newest SPM release 5?

-O


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From: [e-mail] (Jens Malmgren)
Subject: This is NOT a junk mail!
Cc: [e-mail] (Radar Rangaean, The MOSTs leader)

Hi Folks.

This is NOT a junk mail! I exist and my email address do not bounces back
your email and everything I write about is real and FREE and something that
interests Symantec development environment programmers for the Macintosh
OS.

[SIDENOTE: What Mark want to do with this mailing list is fine for me (to
make it impossible for ONLY members to send email) and something that is
common among other lists and that work fine as far as I can see.]

I am member of an voluntary Internet based organisation that make FREE Mac
programming cources. Our name is The MOST: Mac OS Student and Teachers. We
started in the beginning of March so there is not so much done yet but we
are working on it. Our goal is to make FREE courses in many different
platforms and ALSO Symantecs. There are lots of people volunteering for
Metrowerks and their president is also helpful, sigh.

We have a site: http://www.aimed.org/most/ (it is under heavy
reorganisation just now, appologies for that) and we have mailing lists as
well. Soon will we have courses and I WANT that Symantec is represented. I
do not want to be the ONLY symantec user in The MOST.

In the MOST can you learn about programming for Macintosh while we have
fun. There are many other things that we learn also: Doing the web and
personally do I learn English even if you can not see it yet (I can see it
myself already!). Welcome to The MOST.

The rest of this email is something that my friend Radar Pangaean, The
MOSTs leader, sent to Symantec.

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Greg Galanos (president of MW) has personally responded to
a few questions i've asked about incorporating support for
MW's products in our offerings. He has been EXTREMELY helpful
and seems to take our efforts VERY seriously. Example: He is
exploring with his legal department an option to allow
participation in OUR classes to be sufficient to qualify people
for their 'student discount' program. No commitment is in place
at this time for THAT issue, but just the fact that he's exploring
it says something to ME.

I don't KNOW about Symantec's pricing system in this area, and
THAT specific issue may be moot as a comparison point as Symantec
MAY offer their analogous discount (assuming they have one) to
anyone. Discount pricing for students is NOT the issue here, however.

As you know, i've been looking for someone on our team to insure
proper coverage of Symantec's tools in our materials. THAT IS
THE POINT HERE. Since noone from among our current team members
has spoken up, on 04/23, i sent the following to Will Iverson
(the individual who is in charge of Developer Relations for Symantec).

****** begin quote
Will:

<SNIP of unrelated comment>

I'm sending this note to you because i noted your 'title' at the
bottom of the posting. I believe you may see that this is in YOUR
interest every bit as much as it is in 'mine'.

I am the leader of a group of people who have decided to create a
free (and IMPARTIAL) net-based service to assist people that want to
learn how to program for the Mac.

I will be VERY blunt here and say that i am a FORMER user of your
products who switched to CodeWarrior when Symantec's commitment
to the Mac platform was...... questionable. I've seen the effort
that Symantec has put into correcting that issue, and i respect and
salute the quality of what you HAVE done, but since an individual
only NEEDS one dev environment (i know that could be debated, but
i'm also on a strict budget) and i have learned CW and am satisfied
with it i have NOT felt compelled to purchase the attendant upgrades
& relearn the newer aspects of your company's offerings.

However, if you'll check out our web site
http://www.aimed.org/most/
you will see that i am actively seeking to make this site a truly
OBJECTIVE resource for ALL developers, not a place to promote my
current choices or personal preferences in any area. We already
have a LOT of highly skilled volunteers to assist in creating lesson
plans, materials, etc., but so FAR no one who uses YOUR dev environment
has volunteered to assist in this endeavor. Yet we HAVE had someone
who represents the significantly more obscure Future BASIC II commit
to a full level of support. This seems to me to be a disservice to OUR
'users', because i honestly believe that they should have the option to
hear about your products and use them to perform our lessons if that is
their chosen environment.

I have EXPLICITLY stated that i WANT to add support for Symantec's
product line to our course offerings, but will require the VOLUNTEER
expertise of someone who KNOWS them to allow that to occur. This
effort is totally NON-COMMERCIAL in scope and has NO hidden agendas
or axes to grind. If you look over the site and agree that this is
worthwhile you *may* want to provide us with some help in incorporating
info on YOUR products into our site. Even if you only wish to do this
to ensure that your products are given 'equal time' to those of your
competitors that would seem reason enough TO ME for you to at least
CONSIDER this situation. We are NOT looking for free products, money,
or anything else tangible from you, but we won't be able to do YOUR
products justice if no one who currently uses them helps us to do so.

I will be adding a significant amount of new data to the site over
the next few days, but what is there NOW is sufficient for you to
determine if you want to put any time into ensuring that Symantec's
interests are properly represented here.

please advise, and thanks for the time to consider this.

****** end quote

I have recieved NO reply at all from Will. Naturally, it MAY be that
he's on vacation, very busy, etc., but i DO note that the *President*
of MW DID make time to respond directly to my inquiries, but the person
at Symantec who is charged explicitly with Developer Relations has
NOT done so. I BELIEVE that Symantec is trying to recapture the
customers it lost when its continued commitment for support of the
Mac Dev community was perceived as 'weak'. I DO want our *web site* to
remain impartial, but i can't help but draw some PERSONAL conclusions
here :-). I would have thought that Symantec would WANT exposure here,
but what do i know? Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmmm......."

HOWEVER, i don't want to jump to any PERMANENT conclusions here and
recognize that everyone takes vacations, emails get lost, etc, so
i am copying Will on THIS note in case he maybe didn't even receive
the previous email (it didn't bouce back, and it's now been over a week).

Regardless of HOW he may see OUR efforts here, I do still want to
insure that we provide proper support in our classes for individuals
that happen to use the Symantec dev environment. We DON'T need his
direct help to do so, but it would have been nice to have someone
from Symantec on the team. Oh wellllllll...... :-).

Since it APPEARS at this point that Will is not going to respond
to my prev note, is there ANYONE on the team who DOES use the Symantec
environment at all, even if you're NOT a REAL expert on it, and can
step up to being our 'expert' in this area?


radar pangaean          |  If I am not for myself who will be?
SpectraMediaTech, Inc.  |  But if I am for myself alone what am I?
[e-mail]       |  And if not now, when? - Rabbi Hillel
   Learn the MacOS FREE - see http://www.aimed.org/most/

----------Email from Radar to Symantec and Metrowerks------------


Note to Radar: think-c mailing list one list for Symantec users
'Ad Hoc'- questions. The whole email you just read was sent to that list
and to you.


Note to think-c list members: Welcome to The MOST!!


Yours sincerely Jens Malmgren,
Layout Director of the MOSTs web site.
Look at: http://www.aimed.org/most/


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If I don't own a Power Macintosh do I need to upgrade the Symantic C++ to
version 8.0 ?

carlos
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Carlos,

The current version of Symantec C++ is 8.1 Release 5.  It is fat and it generates both 68k and PowerPC code.  You can use it now for 68k and later when you get your PowerMac.

Rick Hartmann
Symantec Macintosh Dev Tools Support
send tech support questions to [e-mail]

On 5/3/96 you wrote:
>If I don't own a Power Macintosh do I need to upgrade the Symantic C++ to
>version 8.0 ?
>
>carlos


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Hello.
        Can someone tell me why the code...



const long kCopyBufferSize = 30*1024;
Ptr         gBufferPtr = NIL;
..
gBufferPtr = NewPtr(kCopyBufferSize);
..
temp=(gBufferPtr[i]==60);




returns in temp a negative value? Do I need to typecast?

Thanks very much.
Fernando

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Fernando wrote.

>...
> Can someone tell me why the code...
>
>const long kCopyBufferSize = 30*1024;
>Ptr         gBufferPtr = NIL;
>..
>gBufferPtr = NewPtr(kCopyBufferSize);
>..
>temp=(gBufferPtr[i]==60);
>
>returns in temp a negative value? Do I need to typecast?
>...

Hi Fernando.

Expressions that evaluate to false in have the value 0 (zero), expressions
that evaluate to true can be any value but not 0 (zero). So in your case,
gBufferPtr[i]==60, if it evaluates to -1, then all you can say is that the
expression evaluates to true.
  You can not expect an other compiler to generate -1 for a true value it
may be any value that the compiler designer has designed it to be, but you
can always be sure that false is 0.

kaj.


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>Fernando wrote.
>
>>...
>> Can someone tell me why the code...
>>
>>const long kCopyBufferSize = 30*1024;
>>Ptr         gBufferPtr = NIL;
>>..
>>gBufferPtr = NewPtr(kCopyBufferSize);
>>..
>>temp=(gBufferPtr[i]==60);
>>
>>returns in temp a negative value? Do I need to typecast?
>>...
>
>Hi Fernando.
>
>Expressions that evaluate to false in have the value 0 (zero), expressions
>that evaluate to true can be any value but not 0 (zero). So in your case,
>gBufferPtr[i]==60, if it evaluates to -1, then all you can say is that the
>expression evaluates to true.
>  You can not expect an other compiler to generate -1 for a true value it
>may be any value that the compiler designer has designed it to be, but you
>can always be sure that false is 0.
>
>kaj.

Sorry."Mea culpa". The problem thar I got is the following.

I have a buffer pointer gBufferPtr, that I obteined from an ASCII file by
the order FSRead. I need to check
if (gBufferPtr[i]==60)
        ....;
but debugging I see that the value of gBufferPtr[i] is negative. How can
explain that?. Do I need to cast that value to an unsigned short/int? How
can I do that?.
I can ask
if (gBufferPtr[i]==-96)
        ....;
and the problem is out. But I have to make a table of each value. I dont
want to do that shit.

Thanks very much. I know my english and my question is primitive, but I am
studying both alone.

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Thanks to all.

I've just fix my problem.
I only cast with (unsigned char) and everything was ok.

Thanks to all the answers.


Fernando.



PD. Where are all of you? Can you see me..?

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I have tried to patch GetNextEvent() for a while now, but can not have it
to work properly.

This is what I have written:

#include <Traps.h>

pascal long MyGetNextEvent(short theMask, EventRecord *theEvent);

long gOldGetNextEvent;

void main(void) {
        gOldGetNextEvent = GetToolTrapAddress(_GetNextEvent);
        SetToolTrapAddress((long) MyGetNextEvent, _GetNextEvent);
}

pascal long MyGetNextEvent(short theMask, EventRecord *theEvent) {
        ... //do something

        asm {
                move.w theMask, d0
                move.l theEvent, a0
                jmp gOldGetNextEvent
        }
}

This code for a code resource INIT, that will automaticly bring a window
to front while just pointing at it after 50 ticks.

What is the main problem?
Will an INIT automaticly have access to every applikation's windows?
Is there something else that is important to keep in mind, when writting
this type of program?

Best regard!

Johan Claesson
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Claesson Johan writes
>> I have tried to patch GetNextEvent() for a while now, but can not have it
>> to work properly.


Hello,
   Here is INIT that I wrote that patches _DisableItem (for menus) to do
_EnableItem instead. I use NSetTrapAddress.

Here is the code:

/*-----------------------------------------------------------------------
 *
 * Init.c.
 *
 *  author: Paul Baxter
 *  Date: 01/31/95
 *
 *
 *  Revision History
 *  +--------+--------------+-------------------------------------------+
 *  | WHO    |     WHEN     |      WHAT                                 |
 *  +--------+--------------+-------------------------------------------+
 *  | PEB    | 01/31/94     |   original code                           |
 *  +--------+--------------+-------------------------------------------+
 *
 *    THIS PIECE OF CODE IS A PATCH INSTALLER!
 *
 *----------------------------------------------------------------------*/
#include <Traps.h>
#include <Types.h>
#include <Memory.h>
#include <OSUtils.h>
#include <Resources.h>

              // Define macro to get the number of ToolBox traps
#define NumToolboxTraps() (        \
  (NGetTrapAddress(_InitGraf, ToolTrap)   \
    == NGetTrapAddress(0xAA6E, ToolTrap)) \
   ? 0x200 : 0x400        \
 )
              // Define macro to get the trap type of a trap
#define GetTrapType(theTrap) (       \
  (((theTrap) & 0x800) != 0) ? ToolTrap : OSTrap \
 )


static long GetTrapAddr(short theTrap);     // function to get the trap
address of a trap
pascal void main(void);                     // main entry point

/*-----------------------------------------------------------------------
* pascal void main(void)
*
*  PURPOSE:
*    Main Entry Point for the INIT!
*
*----------------------------------------------------------------------*/
pascal void main(void)
{
 long EnableAddress;
 TrapType trapType;

 trapType = (TrapType) GetTrapType(_EnableItem);
 EnableAddress =GetTrapAddr(_EnableItem);
 NSetTrapAddress((UniversalProcPtr)EnableAddress, _DisableItem, trapType);
}

/*-----------------------------------------------------------------------
* static long GetTrapAddr(short theTrap)
*
*  PURPOSE:
*    given a trap number return the address of the routine
*    install the patch
*
* short thetrap IN:   Trap number
*
*----------------------------------------------------------------------*/
static long GetTrapAddr(short theTrap)
{
 TrapType trapType;                            // trap type to check
 long trapaddr;                                // trap address

 trapType = (TrapType) GetTrapType(theTrap);   // get the trap type
 if (trapType == ToolTrap) {                   // if its a tool trap
  theTrap &= 0x07FF;                           // we have to make sure
  if (theTrap >= NumToolboxTraps())            // that the trap number is not
too high
   theTrap = _Unimplemented;                   // since NGetTrapAddress is
too stupid to
 }
                                               // get the trap address
 trapaddr = (long)NGetTrapAddress(theTrap, trapType);
 return (trapaddr);                            // and return it!
}

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You should not patch GNE, you should patch the low memory global variable
jGNE, which is the GetNextEvent filter.  GNE calls jGNE with every event
before it processes them itself, and the filter can override standard GNE
behavior by returning non-zero

the protype is something like
pascal short MyGNEFilter( EventRecord *event );

but you should look it up to be sure -- its all documented somewhere but
I forget where, apple is a good place to look.

Eric
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                                          CTB and scroll bars
                                          4:25 PM             5/17/96
I have writing a CTB program in Think C and been having a very difficult time
getting the scroll bars to work. Can anyone point me to some sample code or tips
that can help?

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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 13:07:13 -0800
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Hartmann)
Subject: Running app on different Mac models

Hello:

I have a problem running a Think C 7.0 compiled application on a PB 540.
This app runs well on a Quadra 610 under Sys 7.1, but bombs on a PB 540
under 7.5.1.

The 68020 and coprocessor options are turned OFF.  The applications starts
up and then complains about illegal instruction or something else.

Any ideas?

Thanks. Thomas

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Thomas Hartmann
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 09:51:19 +0100
To: THINK C and Symantec C++ Mailing List  <[e-mail]>,
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From: "Norman Craig Emery B.Sc." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Reverse engineering

    Dear All,

        I know that this isn't really TPM or SPM related but can anyone
answer this question.

        How does one take a trap number and find out the toolbox function
to which it belongs?

        I have the following snippet of assembler:

00000004: 303C ABF1          MOVE.W     #$ABF1,D0
00000008: A746               _GetTrapAddress,Sys,Immed


        Which I can reproduce from the folloing C source:

        GetToolTrapAddress (0xABF1)

        But, of course, I would sooner know what toolbox function that this
trap address references. Does either Think Reference or MPTA have tables of
these things, or is there a list of them that's published with every
revision of the OS?

Craig.

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